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Title: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on May 03, 2013, 09:03:48 PM
This should be an interesting listen on Sunday, if perhaps a difficult one.  If it's true that Alistair Campbell declined to appear then I hope it's the last time I have to stomach him popping up as a talking head on 5Live or BBC1.

It seems odd to have a 'reunion' when the story is not yet told but perhaps it's a good thing that it will serve to remind people that David Kelly was the first innocent victim, of many, on the whim and lies of a few in government.

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/whgfs/the-reunion--episode-5-hutton-inquiry

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Unlike previous editions of Sue McGregor’s avuncular get-togethers, this reunion of leading figures in the fallout from the 2003 Hutton Inquiry reeks of rancour and personal enmity. When former Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon says to ex-Today reporter Andrew Gilligan “I never called you an evil liar. Just a liar”, you know the wounds still fester.

Much-missed director-general Greg Dyke is as combative as ever in his defence of the BBC, while McGregor is more referee than presenter. One can only imagine how much more volatile it would have been if Alastair Campbell had accepted his invitation to appear.

ABOUT THIS PROGRAMME
Sue MacGregor's guests recall the BBC's quarrel with the government over the use of intelligence in the lead up to the war with Iraq, which led to the Hutton Inquiry, whose findings were published in 2004. Sue reunites Andrew Gilligan, the Today programme reporter whose broadcast ignited the argument, former defence secretary Geoff Hoon, who was accused of naming MoD scientist David Kelly as the source of the story, Tom Kelly - Tony Blair's spokesman at the time, and Greg Dyke, who resigned as director-general in the inquiry's aftermath. Last in the series.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 03, 2013, 11:28:26 PM
I hope that no one forgets that David Kelly took his life, and that those who could and should have protected him failed. They failed to protect him from the wrath of Alaistair Campbell and the bullying nature of Blair's mission to invade Iraq, against all the odds. The price of truth is indeed high. And the attempt to bring that truth to the public by Gilligan's report was right. Everything after that was very wrong. It still is deeply upsetting . AND I hope that some of the main players have trouble sleeping.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 05, 2013, 05:08:25 PM
Well this certainly woke up a Sunday morning on a bank holiday weekend.


It is certainly true that the wounds are still very raw. As a member of the public, then and now I am angry still . Alaistair Campbell was not there to defend his position. The BBC really do need to think twice about using him as a v willing talking head on almost anything, but when the crunch comes to something that is absolutely about him, "he would prefer not to attend" (Andrew Neil and" This week "take note)


This broadcast was about truth..

The machanical Tom Kelly was there for the Cambell/ Blair machine, he was wheeled out of the tardis and accused Andrew Gilligan of lying about the dossier, of lying about his information, lying about accusing Campbell and Blair about lying, it was all lies..

Geoff Hoon was there to back up the lying claims, but also to excuse himself as LEADER of the MOD of most responsibility..it was after all firmly in the hands of the Number 10 spin Doctor. His absurd claim halfway through the broadcast that Sadam's chemical weapon's could be interpreted as a 45 minute crisis, was laughable and pathetic(I am sure Robin Cook was turning in his grave)


Andrew Gilligan with a quiet voice admitted that he had exaggerated his source in his first 2 way on the now historic Today broadcast but that it had been corrected . He pointed out that many others had also received info from David Kelly and others even further up the chain and there was a worldwide debate about actually the facts..that errr no WMD had been found. His pain speaking about David Kelly was clear in his voice, and also his determination.

Greg Dyke was emotive and angry and still bewildered about Hutton(along with the majority of the public!) Dyke was interviewed in The Sunday Times today so I will just quote...


"There is no doubt that history is on our side. I mean what were the basic allegations? The basic allegations were that they sexed up the dossier-I don't think that there is any doubt about that"

And even the journalist interviewing him accepts that David Kelly was" outed vindictively by the No 10 machine" and Tom Kelly, himself has to live with calling David Kelly a Walter Mitty character at the very point that David Kelly was put under huge stress for trying to telll the truth.


I will just end with another of the things that Greg Dyke said.

"If my son had gone to Iraq and been killed on the basis of the evidence that Tony Blair presented, I'd have real anger. I hold nothing but distain for Tony Blair"



If this post is biased, I make no apology, after all if the main players do not have the courage to take part then that is the result. Kevin Marsh also not there? wonder if he was asked?

Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on May 05, 2013, 06:54:11 PM
An excellent summary Tiger, this was definitely a 45 minutes worth mentioning and yet, there was not a trace of Alastair Campbell to be found.

Hoon & Kelly appear stuck in a moment they can't get out of, perhaps denial is preferable to them?  One day perhaps they will be able to face up to the thought that the biggest WMD in all of this was the September dossier itself.

Respect to the passion and honesty of Dyke and Gilligan.

Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Albert on May 05, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
I have seen many words to describe this The Reunion, such as "electrifying", "compulsive" etc. It was certainly those and many more. I stopped what I was doing to listen, not wanting to miss a single word or nuance. (Interesting to follow Twitter comments too.)

Regarding Alistair Campbell, I could not get the vision of his rather crocodile tears when giving that interview with Andrew Marr:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFAkA2X_hN8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFAkA2X_hN8#)

(click on 4:12 in the Youtube description to go to the image).

It left me realising that I needed to learn more about this matter, as obviously there is a lot more to it than any of us will ever know.

An excellent piece of broadcasting.  A real gem that ticked all the 'inform, educate, entertain' boxes
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 05, 2013, 10:35:11 PM
Thankyou, Albert for putting this up. It probably shows, beyond a doubt ,why Campbell did not have the courage to appear on the reunion.

You say we will never know the truth?

I think we know the truth, the very important question is what will we do with that truth?

Chilcott is still to report, apparently one of the Chilcott team a pro Blairite has been off sick for a while and that is causing delay? I have no idea why when a huge amount of public money has been given to Chilcott that he feels it acceptable to delay his report, there is only so much patience here, it is the case that those critised by Chilcott have a legal right of reply etc, but we need an update! Campbell in his interviw with Marr is clearly desperate for the long grass solution, but he needs to know that the public will not allow that, not ever.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Albert on May 06, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
Actually: "there is a lot more to it than any of us will ever know."

I think the truth is clear. This whole matter needs to be properly aired, investigated and documented. We need to know for sure who the deceiver is/are. The Chilcott Report must do that.

This episode of the usually quite charming and affable The Reunion  (for example I loved the one about the Ladies-in-Waiting at the Coronation, splendid stuff indeed) has played a huge part in bringing the matter back into the wider public's attention.

There were some thought provoking comments on Twitter such as "of all the times to leave the microphones on for two minutes after the interview - this was it" and "there should have been a web cam in the studio" (as is beginning to be the trend for such BBC Radio 4 programmes). But of course we are Radio listeners here and the interview served its purpose very well as it was. Well done Sue MacGregor.

There were most 'Tweets' asking - some directly to his Twitter account  Alastair Campbell@campbellclaret - why Alistair Campbell declined the invitation to attend.

I note from his Twitter page that his answer being: Re why not on R4Reunion-I saw little benefit to anyone, apart from BBC publicity department, in going over it all again in cosy radio chat


Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 06, 2013, 11:02:12 PM
Dear Albert,

Your post articulates this situation so well.

That is was up to a non aggressive program on Radio 4 to actually do much more than Chilcott and many politically charged programs and actually deliver a live debate. The conclusion is in the listening.

The cowardice of Campbell is depressing.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on May 07, 2013, 07:11:50 PM
Wonderful headline from Gillian Reynolds on her round-up of the week's radio.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10039918/Sweet-song-of-the-cuckoo-relieves-a-tense-reunion-radio-review.html
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 08, 2013, 06:54:01 PM
Campbell appeared on Richard Bacon's show this afternoon and also on the PM show. This is just days after he refused to appear on the Reunion to defend his actions regarding the fall out from Gilligan's report on the Today program and David Kelly's death.

This is an email I sent to 5 Live.

"Dear Richard and his production team,


I will start by just complementing the show, it is an intelligent and
entertaining mix of commentary and interview and perfect for the pre school
run journey . Richard is a delight, never judgmental or presenting the show
about the presenter, his honesty about things that he may be unaware of is
refreshing . His program has grown on me over the last few years and has
gone from a default to a serious choice of listening and as a Radio 4 user
and listener to the Afternoon drama, and also a supporter of BBC local radio
that is saying something, because I value the other stations highly.


Anyway, I have to comment that it is depressing to hear Alaistair Campbell
used as a talking head on the show. This has been very difficult to accept
this week. Radio 4 the Reunion ran on Sunday a program about the
circumstances leading up to the Hutton report. It was to include the main
players.  Campbell did not take part , he said that he would"prefer not too"
and his twitter account stated " Re why not on R4Reunion-I saw little
benefit to anyone, apart from BBC publicity department, in going over it all
again in cosy radio chat"


That comment has provoked anger,  I am an administrator of an online
listener feedback message board The BBC Radio Forum. I will quote this
sentiment.


"It is certainly true that the wounds are still very raw. As a member of the
public, then and now I am angry still . Alaistair Campbell was not there to
defend his position. The BBC really do need to think twice about using him
as a v willing talking head on almost anything, but when the crunch comes to
something that is absolutely about him, "he would prefer not to attend"



Please read the discussion here.
http://www.bbclocalradioforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=701.msg4147;topicseen#msg4147


I will continue listening to the show, but if Campbell is still used as a
regular contributor, I will not listen at those times, and I would be
grateful if the production team could pass this email to all news comment
outlets that use Mr Campbell,



My thanks,


http://www.bbclocalradioforum.co.uk/index.php
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on May 08, 2013, 10:21:42 PM
Campbell appeared on Richard Bacon's show this afternoon and also on the PM show. This is just days after he refused to appear on the Reunion to defend his actions regarding the fall out from Gilligan's report on the Today program and David Kelly's death.

Great email Tiger.  It doesn't end there, Campbell has just been on Newsnight talking about a football manager's retirement... I'm iraqing my brain but I can't recall him playing for Manchester United.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 08, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
Yes, it would be good to know if Campbell is forcing his appearances on these programs(we all remember Chanel 4 and Jon Snow) or is he  being actively invited to appear? If that is so by who exactly? Is it some twerpy production staff, that just want a lazy life and cannot be bothered to engage with looking elsewhere for a spinning soundbite, or...maybe Kelvin was busy,? it is depressing.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 14, 2013, 09:54:25 PM
This letter appeared in the Radio Times today, I believe it reflects public opinion.

"A LESSON NOT LEARNT?"

Sue MacGregor, closing The Reunion said that passions still run high among the participants in the 2003 row between the BBC and the Govt over its Iraq War dossier. Were lessons learnt? Tom Kelly and Geoff Hoon still don't get it. The fallout from the 2003 Hutton Inquiry has gone deeper and wider than could possibly have been imagined-untold damage was done to the democratic process, which will shape the political landscape for a very long time"
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 29, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
Well, we are not a BBC TV Forum, but will be interesting to view.

The Iraq War

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b021sdcv

They talk of big players appearing..but actually the important thing missing is..The Chilcot Report..exactly how long is the public expected to wait for it without any explanation??


Important for democracy and indeed for David Kelly and for the hundreds of thousands of civilians and soldiers who lost their lives.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on May 29, 2013, 08:21:50 PM
And this being the 10th Anniversary of Gilligans broadcast, it aptly marks the moment which lead to the BBC losing something...
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 29, 2013, 09:28:16 PM
And this being the 10th Anniversary of Gilligans broadcast, it aptly marks the moment which lead to the BBC losing something...

The Iraq War BBC2

The big boys were there with their explanations and their guns and their justifications in a BBC broadcast. Horrible to see Alistair Campbell lining up in "the give me air time trough!"This is a man who treated the evidence for war, like an article for a tabloid newspaper. My disgust for him can only be expressed by the grief that he created. And he is a coward as well, and refused to take part in a live discussion re the Hutton reunion, and I can even say myself that when he was busy promoting his last diary on BBC local radio stations he refused to engage with his part in the PR campaign for the Iraq war and indeed his deep responsibility for the death of David Kelly. Campbell will discuss anything else he is your man on media matters, apparently??


Yet the BBC still gives this man air time?


Again, I have to say it was the absence of the voices that mattered that so far mark this program. Where were Robin Cook's words? Claire Short? And most importantly where the hell is the flipping Chilcott voice. The public paid for Chilcott to provide sound honest answers based on the trust that the public have had to give to the years that he is spending on this, not to mention the public funds?


I have no clue why journalists are not asking why Chilcott has nodded off over this?
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on May 29, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
To be fair to Blair, he did, in his forked-tongued way, say he wished he hadn't lied and deceived so there wouldn't have been all the fuss about him deceiving and lying...
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on September 07, 2013, 05:49:34 PM
Here's a bit of dear ole Tone, telling us what's important, making things clear, shining a light for us thickies, goodness knows what we'd do without his like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_vXgdl_WQ
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on September 07, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
Here's a bit of dear ole Tone, telling us what's important, making things clear, shining a light for us thickies, goodness knows what we'd do without his like.

Oh silly me, of course, we'd do democracy.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on October 03, 2013, 05:42:21 PM
Just thought I'd check this thread given current events just in case I was mistaken - but no, Campbell didn't turn up.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on October 03, 2013, 07:09:55 PM
No, Campbell did not turn up?

There is NO doubt his role was pivotal.

Hmmm heard him on 5Live today on Bacon's show.

He called Paul Dacre out for being "a bully and a coward" soooo so many times!

(Yes, sure the newspaper barons have to be held to account, esp Dacre and it is wrong that he went beyond a level of decency with Ralph Milliband, but hey! Campbell was in power(non elected!) when the parents of Madeliene McCann were being accused of killing their daughter, did he speak out??)

If anyone, perhaps wants to know why Campbell has gone balistic, it is not for alturistic reasons, it is because the Mail printed this piece about him last week.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2432692/Alastair-Campbells-sins-make-Damian-McBride-look-saintly-Blairs-Ex-spin-doctor-treated-reverence.html


I would describe Alaistair Campbell as a bully and a coward of the first order.


He could not even bear to be on the Reunion about Hutton.


I have no idea why the BBC is using him as a voice, after that, it is quite disturbing and if they are going to use him. perhaps qusetion him a bit more( note to Richard Bacon who was passive throughout Campbell's rant this afternoon!)


Darcy , perhaps you can put up the clips including Newsnight ?


If only someone with some integrity would speak out about Dacre, that might be good for democracy, Campbell is certainly not the man.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on October 03, 2013, 10:54:12 PM
Campbell did turn up for the Chilcott hearing as did Blair and Brown.

Anyone know why Chilcott is taking so long??

Of course David Kelly was unable to attend, because he killed himself. And so many other people have died because of Blair and Campbell, they also could not be present.

Is Chilcott actually still alive?

The public pays for this stuff and it deserves far better than this delay with no questions asked??
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on October 04, 2013, 08:52:54 PM

Darcy , perhaps you can put up the clips including Newsnight ?


Here it is Tiger, worth noting too his extensive use of the term 'decent' people, almost giving the 'hardworking' people a run for their money!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI0k93eVsss
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on October 11, 2013, 07:52:40 PM
Well at the end of a particularly trying day it's somehow reassuring to see that Alastair is resorting to attention seeking playground tactics in his latest quest to hold Dacre to account through the medium of tweeted football chants.

(http://www.bbcradioforum.co.uk/ac.jpg)
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on October 11, 2013, 11:21:59 PM
I do not think that it is an unreasonable request to ask the BBC to hold Campbell to account?

I mean before they actually entertain him in holding the press to account?


And are the BBC going to ask any questions about why Chilcott has not reported? There has been a huge amount of public money spent on his Inquiry, also I have to say the BBC covered most of the hearings for the licence fee payer and they are not questioning why there is such a delay? That is not good, considering the need for answers, which actually could guide a future policy with Syria and huge issues in the middle east.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on April 30, 2014, 08:43:14 PM
It's taken a while but the news channels are finally getting their captioning right for Blair.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl5--IQIAAAKrde.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 01, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
It is shocking that the Chilcot Report is still unpublished and there is to be another delay. Why? because those involved are too scared to be accountable, having caused many deaths(among them David Kelly) and they want to keep making a lot of money for themselves on their rather tatty reputations.

This inclination to whitewash and cover up by those in power for those in power is becoming very corrosive and threatening public trust and belief in politics. We also have seen this mentality with the Pollard review into Savile and the BBC. The public deserve much better and tolerance is running out.


Please read this article published on Sunday.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2614130/MARK-ALMOND-Blairs-war-reek-whitewash-Britains-corroded-trust-politicians-never-recover.html
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on May 27, 2014, 11:48:53 PM
Just bumping this thread, in light of recent comment by Tony Blair and press coverage of AC and his PR campaigns.
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on June 02, 2014, 09:37:57 PM
Great to hear this week's Any Questions audience overwhelmingly getting the gist of recent developments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmwsF57LSGM
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on June 04, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
Yup, getting the gist of this, by one of Mr. Blairs friends.

Tony Blair a narcissist with a messiah complex who abandoned Britain to hang out with rich people in America (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/robert-harris-tony-blair-is-a-narcissist-with-a-messiah-complex-who-abandoned-britain-to-hang-out-with-rich-people-in-america-9482258.html)
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Tiger on June 05, 2014, 08:22:42 PM
Yep, and that friend described Peter M as ""frugal" seriously....?

We are quite clear which friends got together to produce that article.

Next we will be told that Gordon Frown is a buddhist?
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: darcysarto on September 28, 2014, 02:02:57 PM
Enjoyed some of this weeks contributions to this week's Any Answers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWVl4obP870
Title: Re: The Reunion: Hutton
Post by: Albert on June 03, 2015, 09:46:58 AM
I was a bit sickened to hear Alastair Campbell on Radio 4 yesterday gushing about his old mate Charles Kennedy. Best of pals sharing family holidays etc.

Charles Kennedy will probably be best remembered for his speech and his stance against the Iraq war. His thoughts about Tony Blair and the war are well documented. I wonder what he would have thought about Campbell - the master of spin - slipping into the limelight in the wake of his death.