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The News Where You Are / An audience of one
« on: February 06, 2016, 03:21:03 PM »
It's often remarked how the best - or at least the most natural - radio presenters present their shows as if broadcasting to a single person. Mind you, the opposite is actually the truth, with this being the technique most likely to bring them the biggest, most loyal audiences!

But it's surely beyond doubt that there's an innate skill in crafting a programme that sounds like it's designed solely with you in mind - or at least that's how you imagine it! The late Terry Wogan had honed that art almost to perfection, as I'm sure many of us will agree. Attempting to sum up his career in broadcasting (in just a few words) is nigh on impossible, so just try and envisage how difficult it must have been for Radio Two's on-duty newsreader to break the news of Sir Terry's passing, just under a week ago.

Wisely, Radio Two devoted a great deal of last Sunday morning to paying tribute to someone who served them tirelessly, over many years. But perhaps the best tribute was paid during the following morning's breakfast show. If you didn't catch last Monday's Chris Evans show, then I've no hesitation in recommending it to you, via this iPlayer link:

BBC Local Radio Board / BBC Local Radio to reduce news programming
« on: July 15, 2015, 01:54:10 PM »
A bold headline, but it's how Radio Today wrote it! For the full story of what David Holdsworth's told his staff, please click this link:

This raises a few conundrums, doesn't it? Which news programming are you going to reduce, then? The current service licence specifies levels of speech content within daytime "peak" local radio programming, which explains why your BBC LR station of choice will most likely offer all-speech content between 0700 and 0900, and similarly between 1700-1800. Henceforth it's mostly news...

But take a closer listen - if you dare - and analyse which news they report on your local radio station. Often these segments can be top-heavy with national (or even international) news. Whilst I'd like an understanding of what's going in the wider world, what is it that I actually tune into my local BBC station for? So often, local stations in these parts manage to get the mix so hopelessly wrong!

The same is often true of local radio sports coverage. Whilst I'm not the biggest sports fan it's all-too glaringly obvious, on so many occasions, how "national" the football sports news stories are, on my local radio. High time the balance was re-adjusted here, too.

Whilst I've no problem with all-speech formats in the peak, can we go back to basics, please? Local radio should be just that - local.

Maybe we ought to take a closer look at some of the words David Holdsworth, Controller of English Regions, wrote to staff today:


...We will be offering training with more emphasis on production and presentation skills. We want to be craftier about the way we trail and cross promote and make it easier for you to run intelligent competitions. We are reviewing our music and the way we schedule it on the air. And of course all the time we are looking to make digital platforms complement what we do on the radio with Local Live scheduled to launch in all areas by next summer...

  • I'm sure we can cite our own examples of poor presentational & production skills, can't we? That'll be a long, thankless task.

  • BBC local radio ought to trail and cross-promote Radio Two (and to a certain extent Radio Four), but it never does. Why not?

  • Intelligent competitions? Radio Stoke had them, but jettisoned them in favour of "Guess Den's mystery year". Enough said.

A review of BBC local radio's dire music policy can't come soon enough. As regards music scheduling, why are you so reluctant to allow listeners to request one or two of their favourites? Especially at the weekends?? Why can they no longer submit quiz ideas???

Again, let's go back to basics here. A return to the "Be Part Of It" era is so long overdue, in the opinion of those listeners I've asked.

It's quite a wide cross-section, made even more representative by including several ex-listeners, who deserted our BBC local radio station after it stopped allowing them to contribute their music ideas, to what was previously highly-creative weekend programming.

Radio Today advises that the Editor of BBC Coventry & Warwickshire - Sarah Harness - is to replace Gareth Roberts, current Editor of BBC WM. He is taking up a one-year attachment to "run a BBC Local Radio Development project for English Regions".

Rather appropriately this commences on the 1st of April, the same date that Sarah Harness starts her one-year attachment to BBC WM. Previously, she has been a BBC Assistant Editor (between 2007 & 2012) at least some time of which was spent as Sue Owen's deputy at Radio Stoke. Leaving Stoke at the same time as Sue, Sarah served a year and a half as Editor at Radio Manchester before assuming the role of Editor at BBC Coventry & Warwickshire.

Gareth Roberts has been Editor at BBC WM for almost three and a half years, having previously fulfilled other BBC management roles. Prior to 2009, he worked in independent broadcast media. More info if you click on this link:

BBC Local Radio Board / Local radio - on regional telly
« on: March 07, 2015, 11:40:50 AM »
It's been a few days now, since an extra channel launched on Freeview. Unlike most of the other additional channels which crept onto that platform in recent months, the pictures don't show much movement, but the sound content more than makes up for that!

The channel numbers used for this new venture may give a clue, as you'll find your new service somewhere between channel 719 & 722, within the range reserved by Freeview for radio services. Viewers in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland can already hear their own regional BBC radio stations in this way, but this week saw the facility extended to a limited amount of English local stations.

As far as I can gather, the initial offerings are based upon city "hubs" so - if like me - your regional BBC television is North West, i.e. from Manchester, the only station offered so far seems to be Radio Manchester. Similarly, if your BBC TV region is West Midlands (broadcast from Birmingham) you'll only be able to listen to BBC WM via your Freeview receiver. But in time, we're promised more!

Although I'm no real expert on how Freeview works, the availability of four channel numbers lends faint prospect to my hope, that the North West TV region ought eventually to be capable of offering Radios Merseyside and Lancashire, in addition to BBC Manchester. What the fourth station would be is anyone's guess! On-screen reminders of local radio (on BBC North West) make that fourth station Radio Cumbria, however Radio Stoke claims to cover South Cheshire - where all regional television is BBC North West.

It's far from that simple though! Radio Stoke isn't administered from Manchester but from Birmingham, so gets few mentions on BBC North West TV. Their regional radio shows originate from the West Midlands group of stations, e.g."Late Night Graham Torrington" (from Birmingham) or the excellent Mike Wyer Sunday afternoon music show, broadcast from BBC Hereford & Worcester.

I'm not too sure if this "cross-border" situation is unique to Radio Stoke, but it can lead to some interesting on-air announcements, when referring to regional TV programming, such as BBC One's Inside Out. Presenters will have to inform their audience: "if you receive your pictures from Manchester, then it's show X, but if you get your television from Birmingham, then you'll see show Y"...

To recap, the apparent availability of only four individual Freeview channels makes it unlikely that any "out of area" BBC local stations will become available within your chosen region. So anyone like me, living in the north of Cheshire, is unlikely to ever be able to receive Radio Derby via Freeview, for example! Of course there are already several other means, of going about this!

Which begs the obvious question: why put a limited amount of BBC local stations on Freeview? As a proud Scot, I'd much rather the BBC could have made some of their Scottish regional radio stations available to all Freeview users - outside of Scotland - alongside perhaps some of their Welsh & Northern Irish counterparts. If you'd like further info, here's a link to the original Radio Today article:

BBC Local Radio Board / BBC Manchester Refreshed weekday line-up
« on: February 01, 2015, 02:15:05 PM »
Actually their first daytime schedule change of 2015 came a fortnight ago, as Sam Walker took over the mid-afternoon show previously hosted by Phil Trow. But this was only the first part of a complex jigsaw, with some interesting pieces coming together over the course of tomorrow!
Long-serving Radio Manchester host Allan Beswick left their Breakfast Show last Friday, concluding a lengthy residency that seemed to have been favourably received by many listeners. From this Monday a distinctive new chapter unfolds, with this show now becoming a "double-header".
Just before Christmas, Alison Butterworth presented her final weekday evening show, from 10:00pm to 1:00am. Tomorrow morning she will join Phil Trow to host a new three hour breakfast show, each weekday from six. Possibly the most intriguing change occurs later though, when a new series takes to the air.

Four weeks after interim presenter Amy Clowes took over, 10:00pm will see the start of Allan Beswick's Late Night Phone-In. While that title says it all, not everyone may appreciate this is a return to a time slot previously occupied by Allan - quite some time ago now - on commercial station Red Rose Radio.

A few interesting topics there, as Radio Manchester adopt a similar stance to other BBC local radio stations, turning their "Breakfast Show" over to a co-hosted format. Recruiting a female presenter for their afternoon show is noteworthy too - but not half as much as the return of Allan Beswick's phone-in!

Link to tomorrow's schedule:

The News Where You Are / Will December Be Magic Again?
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:47:41 AM »
That time's crept up on us again, I'm afraid to say! It seems as though the season's now with us, where BBC radio deems it even more acceptable to repeat a limited "selection" of the same few songs - mostly older ones at that - than at other times of the year.

Yes, even though it's not yet December, at least one local radio station has unleashed Christmas songs on an unsuspecting early morning audience! Not just "wintry" music, either - but "full-on" seasonal favourites such as The Waitresses' Christmas Wrapping...

...along with Elton John's Step Into Christmas! In actual fact, these are two of my favourite Christmas tunes, but isn't it a little too early to hear these? Don't want to be accused of being a (Xmas) party pooper, but wouldn't it be wiser to wait a couple of weeks?

There's plenty of acceptable, well-known music appropriate to this time of year that doesn't have an overtly Xmas message, so why can't we leave the seasonal "big guns" until mid-December, please? Is it just Radio Stoke who've decided to celebrate prematurely?

Or is this an across-the-board BBC Radio policy? I'd love to hear your thoughts - either way - please. Actually, I'd love to hear more festive music - not less! But a greater variety than just David Essex's Winter's Tale, or Wham's sickliest, most syrupy dirge, please!

Maybe you could post a few more inventive Xmas suggestions, on Darcy's thread for nice songs, You Can Stick It Up Your Playlist:

However, as an early Christmas gift from what Dennis likes to call "Team Northoftheborder", this overlooked gem from Kate Bush, that inspired our thread title. And it's still only November! It's the correct chart version, strangely seldom heard on BBC local radio!!

BBC Local Radio Board / New longer opening hours for BBC local radio
« on: November 09, 2014, 04:15:26 PM »
Well one of their stations anyhow. Earlier this week Radio Stoke were very excited to announce their "new look" to weekday mornings from Monday November 17th. A week from tomorrow morning the Early Breakfast Show, previously presented from 6:00 am to 7:00 by Charlotte Foster, will be taken over by Den Siegertsz. Not only that, but this show will now run from 5:00 am to 7:00!

Good news by any stretch of the imagination - and certainly something to be celebrated - but I hope you won't mind me setting this story within its proper context. For most of the last decade, Den Siegertsz hosted Radio Stoke's 5:00 to 7:00 morning show, throughout the week. In October 2011, news of the "DQF" proposals broke through. Briefly these can be summarised like this: The BBC wanted most of their local radio stations to "start their local broadcasting by 6am". An additional, misguided suggestion was that afternoon programming would have to become regionalised, in an attempt to allegedly save money.

Although the idea of sharing afternoon shows was recognised as non-sensical and barely feasible, the BBC insisted savings had to be made, so local stations were forced to implement cuts to any pre-6am programming. Ultimately, this meant that all overnight shows were axed. Radio Stoke was one of several stations to shorten their Early Breakfast Show, in their case early in January 2013.

The new one-hour programme was initially presented by new recruit Katy O'Regan, hired a couple of months earlier to co-host the Breakfast Show. This less-than-memorable chapter in recent Radio Stoke history concluded less than a year later, with the emergency stop-gap measure of newsreader/producer Jodie Looker having to deputise for several weeks, until Charlotte Foster was able to take over.

So you don't need me to tell you that Den Siegertsz's return to weekday early mornings is effectively a U-turn, on the part of Radio Stoke's management. Den has previously been involved in a U-turn this year, when he briefly allowed his listeners to contribute their own musical ideas to Saturday's "Six in Six" feature. In itself, this is another U-turn, as it's a reworking of Stuart George's highly successful "Six Songs In Six Seconds" item - which for the most part always comprised of suggestions submitted by listeners.

Despite six or seven weeks of apparently successful operation, the opportunity for listeners to submit their own "Six in Six" ideas was abruptly withdrawn (without any explanation) this summer. Although my sister-in-law politely approached them to ask why, no-one at Radio Stoke ever had the courtesy to respond to her queries, so I doubt we'll be wasting our time, either e-mailing Den (or the Editor) with our thoughts upon this.

Ending on a positive, it's great to see at least one BBC local station has seen sense, and dug deep to find the funding for something that local radio ought to be doing. Something that actually is local, too! Interestingly, several other stations managed to retain their "full-length" Early Breakfast Shows throughout - in spite of the "DQF" strictures - although I believe some of these may have been regional, rather than truly local. Can anyone provide more detailed info on this, please?

BBC Local Radio Board / Time to show some respect
« on: November 01, 2014, 12:49:47 PM »
Just one year ago this week, a strange chain of events unfolded on BBC Radio Stoke. Paula White's subsequent, unbelievably abrupt disappearance left many listeners bewildered. Sadly she never even completed what became her final Saturday morning appearance. Although her replacement initially told us that:- "Paula is unwell... I'll be here for a couple of weeks..." the unfortunate reality is that she's still to make a return to our airwaves.

There's little question that Radio Stoke is a much poorer listen without her warm, truly local voice brightening up our weekday afternoons. I doubt I'm the only listener who misses her genuine, down-to-earth approach. Many others must long so much to enjoy her enthusiastic style of broadcasting once more.

The low-key way that Radio Stoke chose, to announce her eventual departure, barely two months later, was such an insulting way to treat someone who'd previously given so much to her local community. Well I say "announce" but really it was just one solitary mention. It's almost like they wanted to casually "bury" some unwanted news, with a brief, almost throw-away mention.

I hope other members (and readers) of the forum won't hesitate to join me in wishing Paula the very best, whatever she does now. Even without the benefit of hindsight, it's still fairly clear that Radio Stoke couldn't bring themselves to treat an established local asset with the respect she deserved. Don't know what your opinion is, but I reckon it's fair to say that respect had been honestly earned, over several years.

Combined with the total lack of respect the station's management have shown towards several concerned listeners, you have to ask yourself a couple of questions about Radio Stoke: Have they any idea how much damage they've inflicted upon a previously respected BBC local station? Quite frankly, has their management any respect for their listeners anymore?

The News Where You Are / The Other Side
« on: October 18, 2014, 02:00:37 PM »
What does the other side say to you? Maybe it's radio that's not produced by the BBC - or perhaps it could be one of the other stations that the BBC has to offer, but you don't regularly tune in to. Whatever your own personal definition of "the other side" may be, it might be worthwhile setting aside an hour or so, to sample the show I've linked to below.

For me, Five Live could well be "the other side", as it's not one of my first choice BBC radio stations. But last Saturday's Stephen Nolan show offered a fascinating interview with a radio presenter previously only heard on the "other side", i.e. commercial radio. It's about 45 minutes long, and starts at around 2 hours and 9 minutes into Stephen's show...

BBC Management & BBC Trust / Auntie Knows Best
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:49:51 PM »
With apologies for starting off on a negative note, it's looking more and more like that to us, anyhow. Eleven months after joining this forum, there's precious little sign of any apparent improvement at our local radio station. It's not for want of trying, though.

Unable to penetrate the massive wall of indifference erected by BBC Audience Services, my sister-in-law started to look elsewhere, in her search for answers. As you know, 2013 was anything but a good year, for local radio listeners in Staffordshireandcheshire.

But this thread isn't just aimed at Radio Stoke, far from it! Being part of it (the forum, that is) has been such an eye-opener, into how dictatorial so many areas of the BBC have now become. Being part of the weekend music played on my local station? Forget it.

But it goes so much deeper than that, doesn't it? Look at the on-going debacle of the M*rk F*rr*st National Local Radio programme. In spite of unremarkable, declining audience figures, our collective concerns appear to have gone ignored unnoticed, don't they?

Whatever your local BBC station of choice, chances are you'll have heard one of those "In The Hot Seat" phone-ins recently. Meant to fulfil local radio's remit, of holding key decision-makers to account, somehow most BBC decision-makers seem to be exempt...

Is this an arrogant "we know best" attitude? As we've seen, at least one BBC local station took steps to actively suppress its critics.

Or is it perhaps a guilty conscience, I wonder? As Rustey has so brilliantly put it, are they incapable of defending the indefensible?

One thing's for sure, chances to "Be Part Of It " are few and far between - and diminishing by the month. What a shame that is.

Thank goodness for this forum, and the help and support offered by Tiger, Darcy and all the other contributors. I'm so, so sad to say it, but it looks as though Radio Stoke aren't interested in audience concerns any more. My last two e-mails (politely enquiring about recent changes, abruptly enforced upon Saturday morning listeners) have both been ignored - with not even an acknowledgement.

Adding the uselessness of BBC Audience Services, it's clear that we'll never get any answer to our queries - whichever route we take. Remember that, when your own local station enforces yet another unpopular, unwanted change - and declines to comment.

The News Where You Are / Elvis at 60
« on: August 26, 2014, 04:40:35 PM »
That's Elvis Costello, of course. Yesterday was his 60th birthday, so Radio Stoke chose to mark this by treating us to a "selection" of Elvis' hits. No hint of any presenters allowing us to choose any of our favourite Costello songs. Mind you, of all those they played, I never spotted one of my favourites, Radio Radio. You know, the one including the lyric:

...the radio is in the hands of such a lot of fools, tryin' to anaesthetise the way that you feel...

I'd love to link you to some of yesterday's positively riveting Bank Holiday programming on Radio Stoke. But - for some strange reason - none of the output between 7:00am and 7:00pm has been uploaded to iPlayer radio. Never mind, maybe you'd like to refresh your memories of the rest of Elvis' insightful lyrics:


And it's an interesting comparison to this tune, isn't it?

As tomorrow is the last UK Bank Holiday before Christmas, here's a nice little musical memory for you to (hopefully) relax to!

The video was originally posted by Tom himself. I'm sure most of us remember his earlier chart successes, and some may also recall him presenting various shows several years ago, on Radio Two. Of course Tom Robinson has been a fixture for some time now on BBC 6 Music, championing new British music.

The repeated "smoke another cigarette" lyric would most likely exclude this from any modern-day playlist processes, as Tom references in his answer to a question posed below his posting:

But don't let that worry you! Instead, just appreciate his song - both as a piece of music and for the appropriate "Listen To The Radio" lyric - it's what we do, isn't it?

Perhaps you could term these the three "As"? Let's take a closer look at what it might mean!

Firstly, are you truly approachable? Some claimed they were "happy to hear our concerns, directly" to this Forum, but the fact that we ever had to ask (where to turn to) kind of speaks volumes! That we had to ask an outside body is cause for some concern, isn't it?

Secondly, are you amenable? It's one thing making the bold claim that you'll hear listeners' concerns, but experience has shown that those concerns aren't really listened to! It's almost like we don't have any genuine say in a service that we all pay towards.

Most importantly, are you truly accountable? BBC local radio, in particular, operates under a Service Licence that pledges to hold key decision-makers to account, but seems highly reluctant to ever allow us - the licence-fee paying stakeholders - to hold any of those making ground-changing local radio decisions properly to account.

Listeners could be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that the majority of these decisions are all "done deals" that cannot ever be questioned - never mind reversed! Standards seem to vary enormously from station to station, so have you any thoughts on this?

The News Where You Are / Mike Smith, 1955-2014
« on: August 03, 2014, 03:24:55 PM »
Such sad news to learn of the passing of former Radio 1 presenter Mike Smith this weekend. A shock too, I'm sure you'll agree, at the all-too-young age of 59.

Perhaps it's easy to forget how things used to be, when BBC Radio used to actively recruit promising young talent, then allow them to work their way up the ranks, learning their craft and gaining invaluable experience along the way. Maybe it's a little unfortunate that BBC News' own obituary of Mike overlooked some aspects of his time at the BBC.

Mike originally worked at Radio 1 in the mid Seventies, as a freelance producer of programme trails and other promotions across the station, but left in 1978 to join London's Capital Radio. There he hosted several high-profile shows until departing in 1982 to rejoin Radio 1, this time as a presenter. Starting with the weekday Early Show, within a year he had succeeded Dave Lee Travis, hosting the lunchtime show until early 1984.

At this point he left Radio 1 to become a television presenter, on the still-relatively new BBC 1 show Breakfast Time, his work also including 1985's Live Aid spectacular. However, Mike returned to Radio 1 after just two years' absence, replacing Mike Read as host of the flagship Breakfast Show, where he remained until May 1988. It all seems so long ago now, but I'm sure many others will remember Mike's Radio 1 shows as happily as I do.

BBC Local Radio Board / When One Becomes Two...
« on: June 29, 2014, 03:20:49 PM »
Nothing to do with the Spice Girls, you understand? Elsewhere I've revealed how, ever so quietly, Radio Stoke brought in co-presentation onto their Weekend Breakfast Show, yesterday:;topicseen#msg7113

While "double-heading" is often the accepted norm (on at least some of the BBC's other local radio breakfast shows) whether you like it or not, it seems a little strange to introduce it at the weekend too. I don't recall any other BBC local stations doing so (in the recent past) so can anyone else provide other examples of this occurring, on their own local weekend breakfast shows?

This particular example is of a newsreader, normally heard on weekday bulletins, being brought in to co-host with the established weekend presenter. She's not a travel presenter (as Stoke's weekday sidekick Charlotte Foster is) and neither is she fulfilling any newsreading duties at the weekend. Confused? I am, when we learn that even the BBC's national networks are having to prune their already-stretched budgets.

Any thoughts on whether they actually require two presenters at the weekend? As an aside, notice how BBC television news eventually dispensed with the second host, first on the 10:00 news - then finally on the Six O'Clock News. I believe that was on cost grounds - and we're always being reminded how "DQF" is - allegedly - a means to recoup the money lost, owing to the freezing of the licence fee, aren't we?

If you want that put slightly more simply: in these times of austerity, can BBC local stations really afford a second breakfast presenter at the weekend?

BBC Local Radio Board / Late Nights Will Be A Lot Less Live-ly
« on: June 06, 2014, 04:16:25 PM »
Some radio news sprung out at me the other day (whilst researching other broadcasting stuff) but it doesn't seem to have made it to our forum yet:

If like me you're not quite old enough to remember these things, a little bit of history will help! Most of us know the BBC reshaped its national broadcasting in the late 1960s, creating Radio 1 to stand alongside newly-rebranded Radios 2, 3 and 4. Incredible to think of it now, but NONE of these broadcast 24 hours a day, with Radios 1 and 2 actually sharing large segments of airtime. But there was no UK commercial radio opposition (and BBC local radio was in its infancy) way back in 1967!

The mid-1970s brought the challenge of independent broadcasters, many of whom weren't slow to apply for 24hr radio licences! Alongside an eventual recognition that the UK was now a 24hr operation in itself, the BBC responded with plans for Radio 2 to broadcast throughout the night, from late 1978. Although delayed by industrial action, Radio 2's last ever closedown was near the end of January 1979. Twenty-four hours later, a new show began: You and the Night and the Music.
Right up to date now, although Radio 2's landscape has transformed a little over the intervening 35 years, one important aspect has remained pretty much unaltered - a live broadcast output throughout every night. Some of the weekend shows starting at midnight may sometimes be pre-recorded, but I suppose that's to be expected! If you followed my link, you'll see Radio Two plans to turn over the 0300-0500 weekday slot to repeats of programmes broadcast earlier in the week.
Although not currently finalised, it looks likely that Saturday's two "Sounds of the..." shows will feature, along with a personal favourite of mine, Sunday afternoon's Sounds of the Seventies, hosted by the marvellous Johnnie Walker. This raises a few interesting points: Conveniently, all are of (approximate) two hour duration - and don't feature travel news within the main show - so are eminently suitable for what the BBC has in mind. However, the vast majority of Johnnie's programmes are broadcast live (with these shows including regular reminders that his audience can text and e-mail him). Frequent listeners ought to recognise this, as we hear Johnnie read out quite a variety of communications, most weeks.

Now the vital questions! If "Sounds of the Seventies" is now to be repeated, will this be to the detriment of the original Sunday broadcasts (most of which are live)? As stated, his audience can often interact - at present - but will this be marginalised/removed, in order to deliver a "more repeatable" show? Really hope not, as it currently works so well as it is! Or will the repeats hopefully just be preceded by one of those "compliance" announcements? Warning: the following show is a re-broadcast, so don't try to contact it!
A little more importantly, has it come to something when the BBC plans to abandon live overnight broadcasts on Radio Two - its most popular national station? Love to know your thoughts on that one please, but I'd rather not hear any of those "I'm never up at 4am" statements, if that's OK with you! Think night shift workers, think insomniacs, think of whoever you like - but PLEASE do think about the bigger picture here, as I'm not the only listener to be quite concerned at this latest twist in the never-ending 'DQF' saga...

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