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Tiger

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Cliff Richard reporting
« on: August 15, 2014, 12:00:56 AM »
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/cliff-richard-police-told-no-one-apart-press-about-decision-search-my-apartment

The police broke with tradition today and it was the BBC who scooped on this coverage, across all it's networks.

Gosh!

I have noted the quite aggressive pro Cliff reportage in the DM.

I hope everyone knows what they are doing here?

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 11:37:06 PM »
It is of incredible importance that child abuse is taken seriously and that includes most importantly what has been covered up in the past, We now know that there was a cover up regarding Cyril Smith. Unfortunalely the BBC attempted to cover up Savile. That cover up still remains as a serious problem, with Nick Pollard refusing to amend his report.

It cannot be put right by potentially well meaning, but highly dangerous high profile intervention such as this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726859/BBC-crisis-Cliff-raid-Police-fury-TV-chiefs-screened-dramatic-swoop.html

Surely, the BBC should be questioning Theresa May about the CSA Public Inquiry, which seems to have been buried?

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2014, 06:18:46 PM »
I hope everyone knows what they are doing here?

It would appear that question still stands as I write!

I'm sure though that Cliff and his team, being good devout Christians will find understanding and forgiveness in their hearts.

Must say that apart from the questions about role the police and BBC played in this, has anyone asked the question about Cliff's statement?  He makes reference to allegations on-line and yet it would seem the actual allegation which lead to the search of his property didn't come from on-line?  So that would make two separate lines of allegations?  Has anyone flown a helicopter or a kite with that question?

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2014, 10:31:27 PM »
Hi Darcy
Sir Cliff's statement simply refers to allegations that have been circulating online, not that any allegation is based on an online source,
Cheers
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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2014, 10:44:57 AM »
Seen in a local paper today:-

More BBC questions over Sir Cliff

"The BBC and the police force that led the search of Sir Cliff Richard's home are facing increasing scrutiny over a leak row.
Director-general of the BBC Tony Hall and chief constable of South Yorkshire Police David Crompton will face a grilling by MPs over the affair, and the force's police and crime commissioner has launched an independent review of what happened.
A row erupted when the BBC broke news of the search of the pop star's Berkshire penthouse last Thursday, with a crew reportedly arriving on the scene before the police.
Mr. Crompton and Lord Hall have been warned to stand ready to give evidence to the Home Affairs Select Committee (HASC) after Parliament returns from recess.
HASC chairman Keith Vaz has written to Mr. Crompton and Lord Hall asking a series of questions about how the BBC found out about the planned search".

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2014, 12:29:41 PM »
Hi Darcy
Sir Cliff's statement simply refers to allegations that have been circulating online, not that any allegation is based on an online source,
Cheers
Sally


Yes Sally, that's what I thought, thank you for confirming.

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2014, 12:37:38 PM »
Seen in a local paper today:-

More BBC questions over Sir Cliff

"The BBC and the police force that led the search of Sir Cliff Richard's home are facing increasing scrutiny over a leak row.
Director-general of the BBC Tony Hall and chief constable of South Yorkshire Police David Crompton will face a grilling by MPs over the affair, and the force's police and crime commissioner has launched an independent review of what happened.
A row erupted when the BBC broke news of the search of the pop star's Berkshire penthouse last Thursday, with a crew reportedly arriving on the scene before the police.
Mr. Crompton and Lord Hall have been warned to stand ready to give evidence to the Home Affairs Select Committee (HASC) after Parliament returns from recess.
HASC chairman Keith Vaz has written to Mr. Crompton and Lord Hall asking a series of questions about how the BBC found out about the planned search".

Interesting, surely Vaz will realise that a journalist is not going to reveal a source?

Nice to see Steve Hewlett coming out in defence of the reporting along with the Editor of the Press Gazette.

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2014, 04:56:32 PM »
I have been away for the last week. It is noted that this issue is gathering pace.

With the police blaming eachother, ie the Yorks blaming the Met and the BBC.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2732351/BBC-accused-covering-learned-Cliff-Richard-house-raid-furious-police-chief-charge-investigating-star.html

Problem is and I agree with Steve Hewlett, here the BBC went far too far with the coverage of the search. That was a basic error. The suspect has not been arrested or questioned yet and the result of that coverage may well find further victims, but is it right to deal with it like that? I feel very uneasy and would say that it is not. This was more to do with the BBC trying to repair reputational damage. But that is not really the crux here, it is the police who have to answer some questions. Like I said before these are sensitive investigations around historic allegations of child abuse and hovering helicopters and BBC blasting this out on all channels will not help. In fact, it may make future intelligent coverage much more difficult which will not help victims or justice.. And that is said knowing that there has been very high level cover ups of child abuse by very powerful people conspiring with eachother and sometimes a bomb blast is what it takes. But it has to be done properly....

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 08:07:43 PM »
David Davies, made this comment in the ST last week . It should be considered?

"The extraordinary decision by the leadership of South Yorkshire police to allow the searching of Sir Cliff Richards house to be televised, like some morally challenged reality TV show, demonstrates there is something sick at the heart of Britains police and justice system today.

The decision to involve the BBC was clearly in breach of the polices own guidelines. These stipulate identification of suspects at the point of being charged, unless there are compelling policing reasons to identify them when they are arrested such as threat to life or for the prevention of crime. Richard has not been charged or arrested, and only became aware of the search after seeing it on television. In no way did this police-sponsored publicity meet any of the guidelines.

I am left with a horrible suspicion this publicity was driven less to serve the interests of justice, and more to serve the reputational interests of the police service, and the BBC for that matter, after both were badly damaged by the Jimmy Savile fiasco.

Savile was a hideous failure of the police and justice system, compounded by the lazy complicity of many British institutions. Instead of a measured, careful and forensic correction of what was undoubtedly a scandalous miscarriage of justice, we see a rush to the opposite extreme. There is now a real risk of multiple miscarriages of justice in the other direction, with peoples reputations casually destroyed by police forces that seem to have learnt little or nothing from the Leveson inquiry.

The grotesque mishandling of the Cliff Richard case is not the first, of course. Time after time we have seen the names of celebrities released into the public domain when a case is still only a wholly unproven allegation. Jimmy Tarbuck and Jim Davidson were both publicly accused of historical sex crimes, yet neither has ever been charged and both have been told they will face no further action. So much for the presumption of innocence. Even where charges were laid, in the Bill Roache and Nigel Evans cases, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) took these cases to court on visibly flawed evidence.

South Yorkshire police are now claiming that they have had a number of calls since they created this publicity storm, and are using this to justify their actions. This is unfortunately becoming common practice, encouraged by the CPS. The reputational damage done by these allegations never goes away, because the alleged crime is so distasteful.

It is time that we got a grip of this bad practice by the police and CPS. The new attorney general should get to the truth and make a statement to parliament when it returns. He should start by getting to the bottom of how the information got to the BBC.

The attorney general should also reconsider the way the police and CPS handle historical sex offences. The current approach started out well intentioned, but has become slapdash, and has already unjustly damaged a number of peoples reputations. If we are not careful, one day soon it will lead to a wrongful conviction, and bring the whole hideous Savile affair full circle."

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2014, 10:28:23 AM »
I too feel uneasy with the way this was handled.  Tiger and David Davies articulate the problems well.  We find ourselves now after many years alert to the knowledge that in high and low places - both very dark ones - that there has been concealment of horrendous abuses.

In this instance we have the Police and the BBC, both institutions suffering from trust issues - with good reason - but undoubtedly both institutions which employ many thousands of good people wanting to do good things.

I suspect that it's inevitable that until moves like CSA Inquiry - or indeed any flipping inquiry - shine a light on events AND hold those responsible accountable, there will be the risk that mistakes will occur in good faith?

The Cliff situation is complicated of course also, as Cliff refers to himself, the allegations of impropriety which are freely available to read on the internet but which have either not been investigated/reported or are in the process of being so.  Whilst we have laws and processes that must be followed, I wonder whether some of them are fit for purpose in 2014.

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2014, 09:13:08 PM »
Interestingly, Meirion Jones has just re-tweeted this, which may offer some explanation for the goings on?


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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 06:51:04 PM »
Possibly?

It is certainly true that Rolf Harris had a super Injunction in place to stop coverage of his arrest. And that news blackout continued for a long time, during which his shows were still being broadcast to a junior demographic on Channel 5.

That would be a reasonable explanation. I just hope that those looking at all this have not themselves taken out super injunctions to stop damaging stories being exposed about their private lives. That would include MPs serving on committees? Because if that is the case they are compromised beyond doubt and must resign.

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2014, 10:25:18 AM »
Chief Constable David Crompton QPM, South Yorkshire Police, Lordy Lord Tony Hall of Birkenhead, DG of the BBC, James Harding, Director of BBC News and Current Affairs, and Jonathan Munro, BBC Head of Newsgathering will be up before the beaks of the Home Affairs Committee this afternoon from 2.45pm, you should be able to watch proceedings from the link below.

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=15908

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 02:27:54 PM »
Also available here on Democracy Live.

Starting now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21006886

Will do timeline.

Already starting with Keith Vaz talking about fall out with BBC and police.

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Re: Cliff Richard reporting
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 02:38:10 PM »
David Crompton CC of South Yorks Police. Says BBC source a very high level of credibility. Leak came from the Met, specifically YewTree. Word blackmail being banded about!

BBC reporter named as Dan Johnston, quite a junior reporter. SYP being asked why they did not go to Tony Hall? Crompton being accused of misleading committee after evidence from James Harding(head of News BBC) refering to emails and texts..oooopppss!!


Crompton blaming the BBC and Yewtree. "BBC over egged the pudding"  disprortionate coverage etc.


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