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Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« on: October 24, 2012, 10:42:48 PM »
Given the under reported and rather curious line of some of the questions put to George Entwistle by the DCMS committee, it seems this is extremely worthy of note, from today's PMQ's.

From The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/was-there-a-paedophile-ring-in-no-10-mp-tom-watson-demands-probe-8224702.html

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A powerful paedophile network may have operated in Britain, protected by its connections to Parliament and Downing Street, a senior Labour politician suggested today.

Speaking from the back benches of the House of Commons, Tom Watson, deputy chairman of the Labour Party, called on the Metropolitan Police to re-open a closed criminal inquiry into paedophilia.

Indicating his anxiety that there had been an establishment cover-up, Mr Watson referred to the case of Peter Righton, who was convicted in 1992 of importing and possessing illegal homosexual pornographic material.

Righton, a former consultant to the National Children's Bureau and lecturer at the National Institute for Social Work in London, admitted two illegal importation charges and one charge of possessing obscene material. He was fined 900.

At Prime Ministers Questions, Mr Watson, who fought a long campaign for a new police inquiry into phone hacking at News International, said the evidence file used to convict Righton if it still exists, contains clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring.

He told a hushed Commons: One of its members boasts of a link to a senior aide of a former prime minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad.

The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exist, I want to ensure that the Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it, and investigate clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and Number 10.

In the aftermath of Mr Watsons remarks, media outlets speculated that he was referring to the late former Prime Minister, Sir Edward Heath - who was the subject of unsubstantiated rumours about sex with under-age boys - or to Sir Peter Morrison, a former Downing Street aide who died in 1995.

In her new autobiography, serialised in a newspaper at the weekend, the former Conservative minister Edwina Currie claimed that Sir Peter had sex with under-age boys during the 1980s but had been protected by a culture of sniggering from colleagues. At the time the boys were aged 16 and the age of consent was 21. Police were apparently aware of Sir Peters activities but declined to act.

However, The Independent understands that Mr Watsons comments were not aimed at either Sir Edward or Sir Peter, but at a living person associated with Margaret Thatchers administration.

They are thought to involve the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange, a pro-paedophile  group in existence between 1974 and 1984, which believed there should be no age of consent.

Responding to the remarks, David Cameron said the MP had raised a very difficult and complex case, adding he was unclear which former prime minister Mr Watson was referring to.

Mr Cameron, who declined to act at the time on Mr Watsons allegations about phone hacking last year, added: But what I would like to is to look very carefully in Hansard to the allegations you have made, the case that you have raised ... and to see what the Government can do to give you the assurances you seek.

Earlier, the Prime Minister had told MPs that the Metropolitan Police inquiry into the TV presenter Jimmy Savile must find out how he had been allowed to abuse children for so long.

On Monday, BBCs Panorama suggested that a paedophile network had operated at the BBC without detection.

Criticising the BBCs record on Savile who was never caught and died last year aged 84, the Prime Minister said: "These allegations do leave many institutions - perhaps particularly the BBC - with serious questions to answer - I think above all the question, 'How did he get away with this for so long?'.

He told MPs: "The most important thing is that the police investigation is properly resourced and is allowed to continue.


And further information on Tom's blog: http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/10/a-little-more-background-on-todays-pmqs

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I cannot give much more detail until the police have been given more time to investigate whether evidence still exists from the mid-nineties, but here is what I can say.

Last week I was contacted by a former child protection specialist who for some years, had been concerned that a wider investigation regarding the activities of convicted paedophile, Peter Righton was not fully investigated.

He contacted me because he knew I had spoken out in the Murdoch scandal. Over the years, he had lost faith in the ability of politicians to get to the truth. The last time he contacted an MP was in 1994. The MP promised to follow up the case but nothing came of it.

The central allegation was that a large body of material seized in the raid on Rightons home had not been fully investigated. Though Righton was the subject of a BBC profile in 1994 [I think this is the date] The Secret Life of a Paedophile, little had been done to follow up the leads from the case. A specialist unit in Scotland Yard had the material which supplemented a wider investigation into organised paedophile rings in childrens homes.

Over the last few days I have spoken to two other child protection specialists who share the concern of the gentleman who contacted me.

Within the material seized at Rightons home were letters from known and convicted paedophiles. The contact, who has seen the letters, claimed that one paedophile in particular was of great concern. He said that the paedophile, who worked with children, boasted of a key aide to a former PM who could help get hold of indecent images of children. I am not naming the person for obvious reasons but for clarity it is not former MP, Peter Morrison. This afternoon my office has been bombarded with calls regarding Morrison, I think because he was named by Edwina Currie at the weekend as having inappropriate sexual relations with teenage boys.

Ill say more when I can but this may not be for some time.

I should say that like with the hacking scandal, a number of people have contacted me this afternoon offering more information regarding the case. I am happy to talk to anyone who can help me particularly those who came into contact with Righton and his contacts when they were young. I can understand how powerless they must have felt at the time Rightons net was cast wide.

One person also contacted me to suggest that the Met held a vast quantity of material suggesting Jimmy Savile was a predatory paedophile. I do not know whether this is true but I do know the source and she has been 100% accurate in the past.

One final thing I should say I made the decision to ask a question of the PM late this morning and had not had time to write to the Met before speaking out. I have no doubt the Met will take this seriously and am sorry I didnt have time to forewarn the commissioner of my intention to raise the matter.

I have written to him this afternoon with more details regarding the case. This will obviously remain confidential.


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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 08:58:08 PM »
There is a comment on a newspaper article that also needs thought, that I have seen.


"Max Clifford spoke openly two years ago about a powerful child sex abuse ring. Max has been very quiet recently. Surely if he has information he should be giving that to the police. I would  hope that his need to sleep at night is more important than  protection money"


Yes, where is Max Clifford, hopefully he is already helping the police with what he knows.

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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2012, 06:33:24 PM »
"Max Clifford spoke openly two years ago about a powerful child sex abuse ring. Max has been very quiet recently. Surely if he has information he should be giving that to the police. I would  hope that his need to sleep at night is more important than  protection money"

Yes he did, 1st July 2010 on BBC Surrey Breakfast.  I know because I heard it and it was so, so very odd, that I made a note of it.  Sadly it was during the course of conversation and it wasn't picked up by the presenter.  But he definitely mentioned the existence of known, very rich and powerful people who were involved in paedophilia.  Unfortunately I don't believe any recordings still exist.

His is a very stange job with grey lines.  Although the excerpts below from the piece Radio 4's PM did on Privacy, show, I think, a considered man.

The full transcript and audio can be found here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/pmprivacy-max-clifford.shtml

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The PM Privacy Commission spoke to the PR consultant Max Clifford on Tuesday June 21, 2011. The commissioners are Sir Michael Lyons, Lord Faulks QC and Baroness Liddell.


ML: Well our next witness is Max Clifford, probably the UK's best known publicist.

MC: I'm actually a P.R.....

ML: Forgive me Max....

MC: No it's simple, a publicist promotes, a P.R. promotes and protects and the biggest part of my business is protection not promotion now and for the last 20 odd years. I started out with the Beatles in '62 it was more about promotion but now its changed a lot.

ML: Let me give you the opporitunity to introduce yourself and to say something about how you've come to be involved in the debate about public privacy versus the rights of the press.

MC: Umm, yeah my name's Max Clifford and I'm a PR consultant and have been for close on 50 years now and initially when I started in the business the most important part of what I did was promotion. Um in the early days in the music business helping to launch the careers of people like the Beatles, and Cliff Richard, an Adam Faith, and all the Tamla Motown acts, Diana Ross and Stevie Wonder and people like that. Umm but in the last 20 -25 years, increasingly my business and I do PR for Simon Cowell and Rolls Royce and Mauritius, loads of different accounts, Iceland the supermarket chain, Stacey Solomon etc etc etc, the biggest part is protection. Often from the excesses of the media so my role I suppose has been poacher and game keeper for the last 40 of the last 50 years.

ML: And just, you refer there to the excesses of the press, do you feel that we've, you've got a press that needs greater control or....

MC: Yes, I mean I'm a great believer that the press should have the freedom to be irresponsible because once you contain them the rich and the powerful will have total control as opposed to an awful lot of control. But ehh, for ordinary people, ehh they can be incredibly cruel, and destroy lives with ordinary people having no means of defending themselves. And you know I've been in the middle of these battles for many many years and give you loads of examples. A good example would be Robert Murat. Robert Murat was given aguido status in Portugal a few years ago over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The British media, the tabloids particularly absolutely destroyed him. They wrote front page story after front page story accusing him of everything under the sun including that his computer was seized and the police found loads of child pornography. He and his mother and his aunt approached me almost suicidal, can you help us? We've done nothing to deserve this, we haven't had a trial, we've been found guilty by the British media. Press complaints commission don't exist for us, can you help us? And I did, and eventually we finished up with apologies from just about every national newspaper and I think several hundred thousand pounds in terms of compensation. Of course it never should have happened but it's a wonderful example of the very worst excesses of the British media.

ML: And do you have a thought about how you might curb those excesses?
MC: Well you need a real press complaints commission; you need an independent body that is in control not controlled by the press which is what we've got at the moment you know that....you know I've had discussions with various members over the years but to 90% of the public they don't exist, and for an awful lot of people, they're not there, and they certainly not....they're not proactive. What we need is a real press complaints commission, umm independent of the media, controlled by people that care, that aren't frightened, intimidated or in the pocket of media which is what mostly what happens, to stand up for ordinary people so that you know they have a right and they have a means of protecting themselves which they don't have at the moment. That's based on experience rather than theory in words.

EF: Max a lot of your clients are well known, in one field or another but some of them are not well known at all but then they come to you in different circumstances. Can you give us an idea of the circumstances in which you acquire clients of the non-well known sort?

MC: Well often its people like Robert Murat who just come to me and say Max can you help me because no one else will. We don't charge because they don't have any money. But people come to me all the time for protection; you know David Lloyd came to me yesterday the former tennis player because Greg Rusedski is taking out court proceedings against him which are potentially very damaging - Max can you help me? Imogen Thomas came to me a couple of months ago. The Sun are trying to show that I've had an affair with Ryan Giggs. Have you had an affair? Yes I have but I don't want it to come out. Ok, I speak to the editor of the Sun, they haven't got enough evidence to make it work so it wouldn't come out. Don't have to worry about it Imogen, you say nothing, anybody calls you, you put them on to me and tell Ryan Giggs to keep his head down and say nothing and it won't come out. She phoned him and warned him and told him what I told her to say, he then took out a super injunction and I think we all know what happened after that. People come to me every day. There's a family came to me today a terminally ill child and I arranged for her to go to X Factor a couple of years ago and she made a wish list of things that she wanted to do before she died. The local paper covered it, it came out a week or two ago, and she's been inundated by the media. Very poor family from Cumbria, have another child who's very, very ill and suddenly the media knocking her door down, wanting to speak to them upsetting them frightening them so I said well just put them all on to me. That happened yesterday and today, it happens every week.

EF: So people tend to go to you rather than the PCC or to lawyers very often.

MC: Well I mean I don't know who phones the PCC, but you know, these people couldn't afford lawyers.

EF: You use the press as well as it were protecting your clients as you described it.

MC: absolutely right.

EF: When do you think it's legitimate to use the press to promote your clients and then as it were try and stifle them if their protecting them

MC: The two go hand in glove, when I found out the News of the World had been hacking my phone, I challenged them legally. At the same time I was still dealing with the Sun and the Sunday Times and the Times. I'd had a very good relationship with The News of The World for 20 or 30 years. I've made an incredibly good living from the media, with the media for nearly 50 years now. So, it's a 2 way street but that doesn't mean to say that I think they should get away with whatever they want to and I do everything I can to stop them so I have a love/hate relationship with them.

ML: We're concerned about a privacy which of course affects not just people in the public eye all the time because they're politicians or footballers but potentially anybody else.

MC: .....ordinary people have got none.

HL: Max, you began your career in newspapers didn't you? As a youngster before you got into sort of promotion and p.r.

MC: Yes, *muffled* trainee reporter

HL: What I'd like to probe with you is the whole issue of accuracy around stories.....

MC: what's that?

HL: Accuracy the whole issue of accuracy

MC: Accuracy?

HL: .... around stories, you spoke about Robert Murat and the stories that were published about him that had no basis in fact. Why do you think newspapers think they can get away with doing that kind of thing, publishing things that have absolutely no kernel of truth?

MC: Because they can, unless you're powerful, unless you've got money they can! They can write what they want because you can't stand up to them.

ML: Max, on one hand I hear you saying that you think that everybody has a right to privacy and that should be better protected. On the other hand, I hear you saying that you've broken more stories than many. Who's fair game?

MC: Very simple, look, you must have a free press in a healthy democracy but people also have the right to privacy so the middle ground I believe is justifying the story. You know if you're going to bring out a story about MPs expenses I personally wouldn't worry too much whether people tap people's phones to get it. If you're going to bring out a story about Prince William's new girlfriend or Prince Williams whatever by phone hacking - totally wrong. Every situation is looked at on its own merits but to me the common sense is you've got to be able to justify that story. It is in the public interest not in the interest of your circulation, titivation and that's all that matters. So, you know right to privacy, freedom of speech, vitally important. You know I don't think the American system is right I think it's too much in terms of freedom of speech where you can say anything you want almost about anybody. But if you take my own experiences as a guideline I would think that probably 's of the stories that come out would have been stopped on the grounds that you know there was no real public interest.

ML: So, help me to draw the line here. Do you think some people give up the right to privacy merely by being celebrities or is it something about the way they behave that is....

MC: Yeah, I think you've got to look at every situation. You know, Jordon doesn't deserve anything like the same protection as Simon Cowell. Now I would say that cause I do PR for Simon Cowell but Simon has always kept his private life totally private, all aspects of his private life have been kept private. Katie Price sells everything and anything about anything and everything she's done. The child, the birth, the fake boobs the this, the that so to me common sense tells me she doesn't deserve the same privacy when it doesn't suit her as someone who has always kept their private life....and I'm not saying if Simon Cowell was a paedophile then of course we should know about it but you see what I'm saying....but if it's just tittle tattle, that's the kind of line as I see it and having been in the middle of it all my life I suppose it's very easy for me to see. And of course it would have to be argued and discussed but that's the point I would make is that a celebrity or a star who has made their whole life public to build...I mean Jade Goody who I looked after in the last year of her life. Jade could never have justified the same kind of protection as many, many other stars that I've looked after because she used the media and you know her whole private life was in public cause that's what she wanted so hopefully that gives you a guide as to how I.....

ML: and you must be inundated with different people looking to you for help

MC: Protection, every day...

ML: How do you choose which ones to help and which ones to....

MC: I suppose it's kind of a time situation. It's how much time you've got. I'm patron of children's hospices, I'm a patron of several children's charities, I'm an ambassador for children in need, people come to you all the time with all kinds of...you do what you can. I mean we take care of this lady today simply by anybody knocks on your door...call Max Clifford and leave us alone and they will. So you can do those kinds of things and you can do them very, very quickly and I'm in a lucky position I can do that. So, you, I mean you do as much as you can. I mean as I say, I'm not holding myself up as some kind of a Christian. I'm made an absolute fortune from the media and loved every minute of it and broken all kinds of stories and this and that whatever, whatever, whatever. The only rule applied is, if David Beckham is playing away and he gets caught up with Rebecca Loos, he's old enough and ugly enough to know the risk he was taking and as they've loved the media spotlight and have made millions and millions and millions I don't feel quite as protective as I would be for someone like Imogen Thomas that in no way wants to go public and in no way wants it to come out. If that makes sense

ML: It does, are there any cases that you've broken that you regret cause of the damage that's been done.

MC: I mean, there's situations, there's people I've been involved with which after a while I've found out you know weren't the people I thought they were. have I made mistakes of course I have...but I often have to work very quickly and I often have to make a judgement very quickly. I don't have time for committee meetings or this is about to happen. Mostly, mostly it's worked out very, very well and I've been very glad that I've done what I've done when I've done it but have I made mistakes of course I have.

EF: Well, we all do you seem to have a particular concern about parliamentarians and people who hold a public office. And regard them as special case perhaps for....

MC: I mean Rupert, I don't know how much of this is going out because I've got to be you know. As far as I'm concerned Rupert Murdoch is in bed with David Cameron, he won in the election, they did a deal, Andy Coulson...it just beggars belief. no way is David Cameron in my view going to stand up to Rupert Murdoch's newspapers because he's in bed with them they won in the election and Murdoch knows that.

EF: I was actually focusing on a different issue Max if I can take you to it, it's do people who hold public office have different rights in terms of privacy?

MC: I think, I mean look, I exposed David Mellor you know but David Mellor was lecturing us about family values while having an affair. Other politicians I knew were having affairs I just protected because they weren't using the wife, using the family, giving a totally false impression, a false image. They weren't lecturing us about the importance of family values, and back to basics and all that nonsense for their own political gains.

EF: So hypocrisy is the thing...

MC: yeah absolutely - double standards - you look at every situation. And again it's a personal thing, it's my personal view you know but as I'm the one whose doing it it's up to me. So you know I've broken several political stories, John Major and emm what's her name...Edwina Currie and wonderful things like that Which I think you can totally justify.

EF: But I get the impression that you believe that all the stories you've broken by and large would pass the public interest test because

MC: No, no, no, no probably about 25% 20% most of them wouldn't. I mean even Ryan GIggs wouldn't have passed. I mean he brought it upon himself. But no, there's no way you could have justified that on anything other than circulation.

EF: You've had your finger on the pulse of a lot of these stories over the years. DO you think editors are getting it right for example with their obsession with footballers sex lives, do you think the public is really interested in all that.

MC: Oh they're interested, god yeah - circulation proves it. And the kind of money they pay, I mean so.....should we know, do we need to know...no....can we justify it, in my view, no. But is there an interest, oh yeah, huge interest.

EF: And it still continues does it?

MC: Very much so, football becomes bigger and bigger and bigger. You know which is sad because if only these footballers weren't the people they are most of them they could do so much for kids, because kids are influenced by them. You know if Wayne Rooney wasn't Wayne Rooney but was Rory McIlroy so much good can be achieved. You know I briefly got involved with the England squad and desperately wanted them to do you know a major game beginning of the season for Children in Need. Not interested, not interested....agents, well how much are we? Nothing, it's just for charity. Children's hospices, you know the only way I get stars down there because I stopped them from being exposed, football stars. You will go down there....

EF: You're pulling in a few favours really...

MC: Sorry?

EF: You're pulling in a few favours (muffled)....

MC: Absolutely right, all the time. Yeah, you will go down, and you will see the kids there or else I'm not going to stop that coming out which is going to cost you 20 - 30 million in a divorce or embarrassment or whatever and they go down. Now I'm doing the wrong thing but for the right reasons and for me the pluses outweigh the minuses. So they might be totally selfish and thick and all the rest of it but the kids don't know that and the kids actually think that they care and it matters. So, but you can't just divide the stories in terms of public interest no.

ML: Max, as I've listened to your evidence, I'm sort of clear that you are trading on both sides as you said yourself.

MC: Poacher and gamekeeper absolutely right

ML: and that's pretty murky territory really. Do you have a moral compass for yourself.

MC: And I understand that, but if you knew...then I don't think you'd...I mean I do sleep very well at night. Because I know what I actually do and what I stop and who I help so but yes, you know have I broken lots of stories which have got no public interest, justifiable public... .absolutely right. And I wouldn't do that, if I knew the person and I knew it was going to have, I wouldn't do it.

ML: Well you never know....well you don't know....

MC: No, you make a calculated guest based on what you know and who you know.

ML: Well, thank you for being so frank with us. Can I give you the opportunity before we close this session, if there's anything you would like to say, direct to the listeners of the PM programme about the issue of public right to privacy?

MC: No, I mean I think my feelings are very straight forward really. That you know, everyone's right to privacy, everyone - not just the rich and famous is just as important as freedom of speech in a healthy happy democracy. Emm, what we've got now is all the protection for the rich and famous, lawyers, expensive pr's like myself that they can afford. The vast majority of people have got no protection at all. What I hope, I don't believe it will happen, but what I hope is that we will get a strong body that can find that middle ground. A strong body that ordinary people can go to that will take care of them and be fair by them and stand up to the media. You know, I suppose, in my mind it's kind of the press complaints commission - 80% more than what we've got right now which is lip service and you know controlled and totally in the interest of the newspapers.

ML: Thank you very much.

MC: Thank you.



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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2012, 06:38:59 PM »
And then there's this which makes you wonder just where his moral compass points?  Max is entitled to his own opines but then hawking around the media outlets it can only be PR?

« Last Edit: October 27, 2012, 06:41:38 PM by BBCRadioForum »

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 10:12:51 AM »
And then there's this which makes you wonder just where his moral compass points?  Max is entitled to his own opines but then hawking around the media outlets it can only be PR?


I understand where your coming from Darcy and in a way agree with you but I also "somewhat" agree with Max Clifford.
Im no fan of Mr Clifford or anyone who chases the media just to sell a story but as I listened to that recording I found myself agreeing with him.

How I heard it, Mr Clifford wasn`t condoning what happened but was just telling it as it is (or was) back then.
If Im correct that recording was taken from LBC, the James Whale show and LBC called Max Clifford for his personal opinions.
As I say Im no fan of Mr Clifford but when you listen to him explain what went on in the 70s/80s the more you can understand his concern.
Any child abuse is wrong and there is no excuse for it. Its every adults duty to protect children,  but its fast becoming a witch hunt that is getting out of control.


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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 10:32:49 PM »
I understand where your coming from Darcy and in a way agree with you but I also "somewhat" agree with Max Clifford.
Im no fan of Mr Clifford or anyone who chases the media just to sell a story but as I listened to that recording I found myself agreeing with him.

How I heard it, Mr Clifford wasn`t condoning what happened but was just telling it as it is (or was) back then.
If Im correct that recording was taken from LBC, the James Whale show and LBC called Max Clifford for his personal opinions.
As I say Im no fan of Mr Clifford but when you listen to him explain what went on in the 70s/80s the more you can understand his concern.
Any child abuse is wrong and there is no excuse for it. Its every adults duty to protect children,  but its fast becoming a witch hunt that is getting out of control.

Hi Mel, to be honest I'm not sure what to think about his latest sojourn into the limelight, I do however know what he has previously alluded to and that wasn't about a few faded famous people, it was far more sinister.

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 10:35:02 PM »
The latest words from Tom Watson MP, possibly the two most telling it's bewildering.

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/10-days-that-shook-my-world

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Its ten days since I raised a question about intelligence suggesting a paedophile ring that touched the very heart of a previous government. Id done so because a very credible retired child protection professional had lived with a gnawing suspicion of a cover up for many years.

These people are the rarest of human beings. Theyre the people who labour in anonymity, day in day out, trying to make the world a better place. They have always been the foundations of our public services. Yet this retired public servant had, through a quirk of fate, stumbled on something that appeared so huge, that almost everyone hed ever raised his concerns with had baulked at the challenge.

Since then though, many more ordinary people have contacted me about suspicions they have had of a wider wrongdoing in some cases so heinous it made me cry.

They have talked of psychopaths marking children with Stanley knifes to show ownership. They tell of parties where children were passed around the men. They speak of golf course car parks being the scenes for child abuse after an 18 hole round.

And they have named powerful people some of them household names who abused children with impunity.

Two former police officers have raised their concerns of cover-ups. Child protection specialists have raised their fears that the network of convicted paedophile Peter Righton, the nexus of the group, was wider than at first thought. Others have identified a former cabinet minister who regularly abused young boys.

Some have raised mysterious early deaths, disappeared children, suspicious fires, intimidation and threats.

Its bewildering.

These allegations go way beyond the claims made on BBC Newsnight yesterday. Newsnight failed to name the paedophile mentioned by a North Wales survivor. I can understand why. A career can be destroyed by an allegation of such magnitude. There needs to be a high bar of proof.

Yet the thing I learnt most from the hacking scandal, and for that matter, the Savile case, is that the intelligence was staring the police in the face. These people were hiding in daylight. So powerful, so brazen in their actions, those who had an inkling of what was happening turned a blind eye.

Or maybe none of this happened. Maybe the 50 plus emails and numerous phone calls and letters I have received were all from fantasists. Maybe the allegations of the victims made for many years, consistently to anyone that would listen, maybe theyre bogus.

One thing is for certain: someone has to join the dots. And that should be the police. There are a few hardy child protection specialists who for many years, have been burrowing away, trying to uncover the truth. Their work and insight should be taken more seriously. The police should work with them.

The hacking scandal was about the police failing to follow clear leads of wrongdoing by powerful people. They could do this because politicians turned a blind eye.

This is potentially worse. Some of those powerful people involved in a cover up may well have been and could still be powerful politicians.

Im not going to let this drop despite warnings from people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper. Its spooked me so much that Ive kept a detailed log of all the allegations should anything happen.

As I type this blog post, Im half-smiling about how insane all this appears. It sounds like Ive taken leave of my senses just like they said I had during the early days of the hacking scandal. Maybe I have. Yet with a properly resourced investigation, with the voice of victims being heard in public and with the political will we can get to the facts.

I wish I could fight the case of everybody who has been abused by a paedophile who has so far got away with it, but I cant. That is a job for the police. Up and down the country private grief is being stirred by these stories. I cannot help in each individual case, but the police and support services can, must and will. If you were abused a long time ago and want justice now, go to the police. It is not too late.

What I am going to do personally is to speak out on this extreme case of organised abuse in the highest places. At the core of all child abuse is the abuse of power. The fundamental power of the adult over the child. Wherever this occurs it is an abomination. But these extreme cases are abuse of power by some of the most powerful people. Abuse of trust by some of the most trusted. It is a sickening story, but one which like the truth about Jimmy Savile is now going to be told.

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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 10:47:16 PM »
Some background to what part of this may be about can be found in this article http://www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/ on Guardian journalist, Nick Davies website.

It isn't an easy read.

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 11:06:08 PM »
And this article by Sonia Poulton in the Express spells it out.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/354945/Sex-abuse-is-guilty-secret

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IN THE weeks that have followed Jimmy Savile being revealed as a paedophile his carefully crafted charitable reputation has been obliterated. The national treasure decorated by the Queen and given keys to hospitals has been laid bare and described by one investigating officer as the most prolific serial sex abuser in history.

Increasingly, though, rather than being the solitary pervert operating with impunity, Savile may be the tip of a large iceberg.

As more victims reveal abuse at the hands of Savile, or his extensive circle of friends, it appears the silence that surrounded him may say less about his celebrity status and more about whom he may have implicated had his crimes been exposed. Certainly we know that Savile was subject to at least five police probes over five decades. All were quashed. Why? We have yet to be told.

For many it reeks of an establishment cover-up, though for years detractors referred to it as conspiracy theory.

Saviles BBC colleague David Icke, who went from respected broadcaster to laughing stock, was at the forefront of such claims in the Nineties when he named Savile and others as paedophiles.

Icke claimed Savile supplied children from Jerseys infamous Haut de la Garenne care home to a senior British MP. Savile denied knowing the home, the scene of a police investigation in 2008 that uncovered widespread child abuse. He lied. There is pictorial evidence of him there.

Last week, during Prime Ministers Questions, Labour MP Tom Watson raised the issue of a paedophile ring in Parliament and alluded to a former PM. David Cameron, all perplexed, said he would look into it. Minutes after PMQs, Tory MP Rob Wilson was on Sky News appearing to laugh off Watsons claims.

This cannot go on. It was these sorts of hasty dismissals that helped Savile get away with it. People laughed it off and claimed nutters were saying it.

Well I can tell Mr Cameron that this claim is not sensational, anything but. In fact Tom Watson has barely scratched the surface.

I have compiled a list of 132 utterly shameless establishment child abusers. These include MPs, lords and local councillors. A similar list for members of Her Majestys Constabulary exists.

I dont believe these lists are complete. This is not conjecture or media gossip but people, primarily men, who have been prosecuted for child sex offences throughout the UK.

Many of these abusers still represent constituents and are serving the public. At the very least we should know who they are, where they are and if their public decisions are influenced by the greater good or their own twisted perversions.

As a journalist, and in light of the Savile revelations, people have contacted me desperate to share their abuse stories.

Some accuse powerful members of the establishment. Several household-name MPs are said to have committed acts of degradation against children as young as six.

Yes, some of these callers may be jumping on the bandwagon but not many are, as independent corroboration of their stories has already confirmed.

So lets not be under any illusion that this is only about Savile. I fear it is far from it.

The Government must immediately announce an independent inquiry. It must be public and transparent and it must leave no stone unturned. The credibility of Parliament is at an all-time low and serious questions must be answered.  Why did Ken Clarke, as justice minister, halve sentences of paedophiles last year in a controversial announcement?

Why did the Cabinet Office issue threatening letters last week to internet bloggers warning that they must not repeat allegations of a child actor claiming to have been touched by a member of the Coalition?

Then there is the question that overshadows the whole Savile inquiry: why was he allowed to become so close to royalty and government? Surely it is the job of the security services to investigate the lifestyle of those who have access to our figureheads?

Yes, this is a dark time in our nations history but we must face it head on and keep going until we know the full, unexpurgated truth, no matter how unedifying future revelations may be.

Judging by some of the testimonies I have heard it is likely to be very shocking indeed. There is no alternative. The victims need the truth to be told, no matter how powerful or connected their abusers may prove to be.


And there are also encouraging reports that a new inquiry will be set up http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20196086

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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 07:15:47 PM »
I do not know if there is a God, or in default a media outlet, that will hold these evil powerful men to account?

I hope that there is, and no amount of cover up should detract from that.


Anyone reading this will be adult people, what must not be forgotten that this is about children, alone and terrified and horribly abused.

Action MUST be taken for them, it is vital now that adults take charge.

This was a start.

http://www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/


Quite a few years ago now.

Tom Watson has now taken up with courage information that has been given to him and I hope he is getting as many people that he can on board with him, that must include child protection groups, and of course the best legal advice in the land and indeed personal protection.


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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 09:48:57 PM »
Thankfully for our democracy there are many great journos out there.  Political reporter of the year David Hencke is one of them and he and his colleagues at Exaro can be counted on to keep thier eyes on the ball.  In this piece they expand a little on what has been going on since Tom Watson passed his concerns onto the Met.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4764/police-investigate-top-tories-over-child-abuse-at-guest-house

(To read the whole article you will need to register and can do so for free for 7 days without having to divulge any financial information.  Because they're nice like that)

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2012, 12:06:55 AM »
Exaro have a little more on this tonight, they are not in a position yet to name names but they are on the case.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4767/locals-spoke-of-the-activities-at-guest-house-in-police-probe

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 01:54:43 PM »
David Hencke of Exaro published this latest blog with links to full story yesterday.

http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/exclusive-police-raid-gathers-evidence-on-mps-and-celebs-in-political-paedo-inquiry/

Must say that given his and their track record I'm quite assured that Hencke and Exaro are following this as I've not seen much in the mainstream press.

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Operation Fairbank, the Met  Police investigation, started after allegations from  Labour  MP  Tom Watson of an alleged paedo ring involving  Westminster MPs, has taken a significant new turn.
 
A report on Exaro News website ( http://www.exaronews.com ) today  by ex Guardian journos David Pallister and myself  goes into full details.
 
Basically documents, including a list of Mps , Conservative, Labour and Liberal - some dead, some alive and other prominent figures , which we have seen but are not naming, are now in the possession of the police. They also have the 16 names of the boys who  could have been sexually abused.
 The raid last week on the flat of Mary Moss, a former head of the now defunct National Association of Young People in Care, allowed police to look at documents relating to the Elm Tree Guest House in Barnes, west London, in the 1980s. Police obtained a search warrant after she declined to co-operate but she is now co-operating fully with the investigation.
 
Another 19 box files , hidden in a neighbours shed, were voluntarily handed over to the police by Mary Moss after  the raid.
 
The police have also asked Richmond Council to hand over a full dossier of young people in their care at the time after being alerted by a source who came to Exaro.


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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 02:01:29 PM »
I'd also like to share this blog with you http://misty53.wordpress.com/so-ashamed-of-myself/ which, as you may choose to read, the blog of a survivor of abuse.  It's not an easy read but helps I feel to bring context and perspective where sometimes, given the sensationalising of some of the reporting in recent weeks, the lines get blurred.

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Re: Was There A Paedophile Ring In No 10 Asks MP Tom Watson
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2013, 11:48:31 PM »
Operation Fairbank has now been launched as a criminal investigation.  Operation Fernbridge.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-launch-criminal-investigation-into-mps-child-sex-ring-8456434.html

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Scotland Yard tonight launched a full investigation into allegations that Conservative politicians were members of a paedophile ring which abused children in care the 1980s.

Operation Fernbridge will centre on the alleged historic sexual abuse of children at Elm Guest House, in Rocks Lane, a suburban street in Barnes, south-west London.

Residents of a nearby care home run by Richmond Council claim they were sexually assaulted at the property by a network of prominent individuals, including Tory MPs, who used their connections to escape justice.

The allegations are one of several lines of inquiry being considered by specialist detectives at the countrys biggest force as a result of information supplied to them by Labour MP Tom Watson.

In a surprise intervention in the Commons in October, Mr Watson - who alleged widespread phone hacking at the News of the World before police began a new inquiry - urged Scotland Yard to re-open the evidence file on Peter Righton, a former child care consultant who was convicted of importing illegal homosexual pornography in 1992.

Saying that the file contained clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring, Mr Watson said at Prime Ministers Questions: One of its members boasts of a link to a senior aide of a former Prime Minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad.

The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exist, I want to ensure that the Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it, and investigate clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No 10.

In secret. five officers on the Mets Child Abuse Investigation team began a scoping exercise, Operation Fairbank, to see if the MPs claims merited further inquiry.

Working in secret at Empress State Building in Earls Court, London, they interviewed several adults who had contacted Mr Watson with information until December, when police confirmed the existence of the inquiry.

Tonight Scotland Yard confirmed the scoping exercise had reached sufficient seriousness that it passed the threshold for a criminal investigation and announced the creation of Operation Fernbridge.

Scotland Yard would not say how many officers are staffing Operation Fernbridge.

It is being  run by the Specialist Crimes and Operations Directorate, which is known for tackling complex crime and which investigated phone hacking and other illicit newsgathering tactics that had previously escaped serious scrutiny by the police.

In a short statement, Scotland Yard said: The Metropolitan Police Service have today, Thursday 17 January, launched an investigation, Operation Fernbridge, into historic allegations of child abuse in the early 1980s at the Elm Guest House, Rocks Lane, Barnes, London.

The investigation will be led by the Child Abuse Investigation Command.

The statement went on: The allegations under Operation Fernbridge were initially assessed under Operation Fairbank which was information passed to police by MP Tom Watson. Operation Fernbridge reached the threshold for a criminal investigation.

We will not be providing a running commentary on this inquiry.

The police stressed that the allegations were historic and did not relate to the current occupants of the property, which has been under new ownership for some time.

A spokeswoman for the Met confirmed that Operation Fairbank would remain in existence and concentrate on other lines of inquiry provided by Mr Watson, who has been in regular contact with detectives. Those other lines of inquiry also involve politicians.

Last night Mr Watson said: This new criminal investigation is welcome news. I am confident that the Operation Fairbank team are committed to a thorough investigation that leaves no stone left unturned. As they get nearer the truth it is vital they are given the time and space to conduct the investigation without interference.

I urge any witnesses or victims to come forward if they think they can help with the inquiry. No matter what has happened in the past, now is the time for your voice to be heard.

The Metropolitan Police asked anyone with information to call its hotline on 020 7161 0500.


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